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Guidance to buy the 1st R4

Bernd Hornburg

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Dear members!
I am glad to be now one of yours! Actually I am on my way searching for my first R4 in Germany. I've been reading quite a lot until now. But concerning one aspect that I was pleased to especially take care of, I feel absolutely insecure. I would say that the majority of experienced R4 owners which I talked to, meant to buy a car that was built between 1982 - 1986. The reason for that recommendation was always the definitely much greater risk of rust (car production after 1986 only in Spain and Slovenia), especially concerning the rear suspension (mount etc. See your own section "Buyers Guide"). Does that mean not to buy a GTL, produced 1990 that looks good and has obviously a little rust?
What would you recommend to me as a unexperienced R4 Lover?
 
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Important points when you buy an R4
For a layman, buying an R4 is often difficult because you don't know which points are important and what kind of problems can still come, and with pictures I try to explain what you see and what you can still encounter , and don't forget to look at the bottom under the pedals if there are holes here then the front jacking points are usually also affected, also look at the mounting of the rear axle check everything around the 12 mounting bolts (6 left + 6 right) is fresh here kit, then it is wise to take a closer look.
Everything in the four can be repaired, but it is nice if you already know what to expect when purchasing.
There are 4 types of fours for sale:

* The honest bad here you can clearly see what is bad often not that expensive but a good base to restore.
* The unfair bad with this car, the bad points have been sealed, is of course more expensive and will have to be restored in the short term, often these are the cars that the buyer is disappointed in because they will incur costs that they had not counted on.
* The good ones are not cheap, but you also have a good one, there may be something wrong with it, but that is usually manageable.
* The four in concours condition, these are often not for sale or for a lot of money.

Check when the engine is warm and you accelerate that there is not too much blue smoke coming out of the exhaust, this may indicate some oil consumption, but this does not have to be very serious, they may consume some oil, after all, the engine was not made in the computer age, when the engine is idling, the engine must be fairly still if it shakes too much, it could mean that there is compression loss in one or more cylinders, but it could also be another cause, for example contact points spark plugs or the adjustment is not good and or the adjustment of the carburetor.

The gearbox should go smoothly when shifting, also when shifting back, but the latter also has to do with the year of manufacture, the first were not so smooth (synchronised), look further for whether there is oil leakage under the engine, the gearbox oil has a different smell than the engine oil.

The brakes are important look under each wheel for leaks also check the brake pressure distributor that is mounted against the left rear beam that is a cylinder where three or four brake lines come together, put your fingers on top and have someone brake hard here needs a slight movement can be felt, because it only has a lot of work to do when the car is loaded, then it distributes the brake pressure, it may get stuck, not a very big safety problem, but it must work during the MOT inspection.
Check the color of the brake oil, it must be clear (natural), it is often forgotten to renew it, due to the moisture-attracting effect of the brake oil, the brake cylinders and calipers can get stuck at a later stage. The engine, gearbox and brakes often

have no unsolvable problems, this is almost always easy to fix, but of course there are wear points such as the clutch, you can check this by trying to drive away in 3rd gear if it is good, it will stall and it should not slip, it is usually with a worn clutch, the pedal is very high so it is at the top, a good clutch should be able to be half pressed without it doing its job
 
The well known rust spots of a R4
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a. The hinges of the tailgate, these are welded with copper and can also cause corrosion due to frequent use.

b. Rear screen edges, if corrosion can be seen here, then the screen needs to be renewed and also the mounting edge, filler ex. is useless, also look inside the car remove the rubber over the curves of the inner rear screen and the points of the attachment of the rear seat belts.

c. Mounting edges of the front screen, when you open the hood you see three bolts with which
the front screen is attached, these edges can be very bad due to corrosion, cause sealed and never cleaned so that the wind could not do its job.

d.This is the front chassis, this is an important part, the front wheel suspension and the steering are attached to it, there is a tube running from left to right at this height, at the bottom there are often holes.

e. Pillars of the rear body where the tailgate closes, in the corners on the left and right the pillars are welded with copper, which can cause a lot of corrosion.

f. Front supporting beam, this beam provides reinforcement of the front chassis and also supports the gearbox on this, where corrosion can occur due to stone chips.

g. The front jacking point on both the left and right is often very bad due to corrosion.

h.The rear jacking point where the arm of the rear axle also rotates (swing arm attachment) is also often corroded.

i. The rear beam on this part is the rear axle mounted due to the double plate used by the factory, moisture can get in between and this also causes a lot of corrosion.

j. At this height of the windows you often see corrosion because the water and sand can get in between.

k. Due to spillage during topping up of brake fluid, this will get on the front left chassis beam and will rust through if not cleaned properly.

No doubt there will be more points, but these are very important ones.

 
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