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Hi - Any thoughts or knowledge of this one

Main question is the state of the chassis, especially the rear axle mountings and whether they are still solidly attached to the chassis sidemembers. If these go it is very difficult to reattach them entirely straight. If the car has lived in Cleethorpes all its life this is a seaside (salt air) environment.

In this connection you should be aware that, if you are into restoration, it is possible to remove the body from the chassis, which makes welding much more straightforward.

If underfloor welding is needed this is no big deal. Likewise dodgy body panels as these should be available from third party suppliers.

Looking at the state of the front "A" panels it is possible that the front bulkhead may be in poor shape. But again, this is not a terminal problem.

845cc engines were available on late-plate French models, so should be OK for spares availability, but items of décor such as dashboard components could be more difficult. Also the doors are the obsolete "old" type with external top hinges. Rear suspension components can also be problematical as the pattern of swinging arm changed in later models. But again, there are specialist suppliers (Französe, Mélun) who may be able to help.

If the thing has only 50K miles on the clock the engine should be good for at least another 100 thousand as long as nobody tries to run it until they've refitted the radiator!!

R4s around "T" plate time were manufactured in Ireland and the build quality was notoriously poor so they need even more constant attention to rustproofing.

The vendor says "Webasto style sunroof" but from the pictures it looks suspiciously like an original Renault factory-fitted item as illustrated in the official Parts Book. If so this makes it excessively rare — I'd be surprised if there were more than a dozen RHD original-sunroof models left in the UK (including the one currently languishing in my garage waiting for a well-moneyed buyer). This has implications for collectors' value.

The vendor is right to say that RHD R4s are getting hard to find. If you are willing to spend a not insubstantial amount on restoration this car looks like a desirable item, although the price is possibly a bit high. Bear in mind that if the car were fully restored it would probably take more money to restore than would be reflected in its ultimate value. But we're not in it for the money, are we?
 
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Hey thank you

This is a really kind and informative reply, I am sorta ok restoration wise and probably cried at the same points before over what lurks beneath etc.

You information on parts and replacement bits is priceless thank you, I think I should go and see it but did not really want to hunt for bits all the time, rather get stuck in knowing most will be available

Thank you very much

Ian
 
Looking again at the photo it looks as if you won't be lacking many spares. All the really hard-to-find stuff seems to be there, and in fact I don't think the chrome trim was fitted on models that late so the previous owner must have tarted the car up a bit with a bit of retro. If the engine runs — end of story. They're pretty bombproof. Likewise the gearbox — although the front half of the gear linkage is missing (at least it's not visible in the photos).

The only thing that slightly worries is the fact that the radiator has been detached. Possibly it sprang a leak (and if it did it might be hard to match so should be repaired rather than thrown) but possibly it implies a problem with the head gasket or possibly the cylinder linings.

If it were me I'd remove all the extra electrics. Given that the thing will only cruise comfortably at about 55 m.p.h., I'd see a rev counter as a positive embarrassment. The radio console is a highly-sought-after factory item.
 
Now I could be wrong but that looks nothing like the factory sun roof to me, it should go the full length of the roof.
Sorry to also say but it looks like a terminally rusty parts car to me.
If you dont mind lhd there is a real glut of cars for sale recently, buy the best you can and save a fortune...
 
i'd second Stuart on this one-i've got a green metallic 78 with orig.sunroof sitting out back here.it's full lenght and looks nothing like this one
-Also may add I admire folks digging into Any car in this state-although I wouldn't -Reid.
 
Cheers everyone

Yup would love to save it but reality checks, and thanks for them, best part of a forum I think, is sorta telling me no.

Exactly the help I was looking for, don't mind a bit of work or in fact quite a lot but I think this one is beyond me.

Thanks everyone so helpful, so the search commences. I just won't loose months and what seemed a good car before waiting for non appearing imports.

Cheers

Ian
 
Ian, As has been suggested before, the chassis is everything. If that is pretty sound, and many RHD R4s aren't, the remainder of the car is largely cosmetic and can be tidied up with time and patience. I bought a similar GTL at the beginning of the summer for a similar price and a slightly worse condition. Check that blooming chassis though.
 
Thanks again everyone emailed seller no reply so that the end of that.

Let's hope something turns up soon

Cheers

Ian
 
Look at the silver B reg gtl thats been "retrofied" and just popped up on ebay.
A much cheaper way to get in a 4.
I think about £4000 will buy it.
 
Now then .....if I were to do it all again . I'd look for the most desirable (for me) version of the car from a hot dry place ( the least rusty exampe because the getting rid of rot is the most time consuming task) and convert to RHD. (I kept a RHD bulkhead in case I become afflicted in the future) I'd love the uk black and white number plates and no tax . So anything meeting those criteria would be good for me.

On a different tack I really think there must be a ton of enthusiasts out there with classic cars that would be willing to pay a one off fee for the privilege of having black and white number plates. (Still paying tax) This could be a good source of revenue for the DVLC
 
Black & White number plates aren't in the gift of the DVLA. Any car older than a certain date (about 1973) can carry them legally. All you have to do is get a set made up.
 
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