hello need help trying to identify this engine

[MAT-05]

the car was sold to me as a 1975 renault r4 TL with a 1.1 25kw the engine number matches paperwork but the aluminium tag is screwed on to the engine so the actual engine could be different, also i have been searching and as i understand it a 1975 r4 couldnt come with a 1.1 engine

 

[Andy McGhee]

It's one of the 'Billancourt' engines (845cc and down), so not a 1.1.
The 'Cléon' engines were 852cc and up - most frequently 1108cc. The 852 engine is rare outside Spain.
For more on this: https://www.la4ldesylvie.fr/remonta...rt?highlight=WyJtb3RldXIiLCJiaWxsYW5jb3VydCJd

The first 1.1 engines in Renault 4s did appear in 1975, but not in 'cars' - they were fitted to R2370 and R2430 vehicles (the former eventually became known as the F6).
The first 1108 engines were fitted to 4GTL cars from January 78.

 

[MAT-05]

It's one of the 'Billancourt' engines (845cc and down), so not a 1.1.
The 'Cléon' engines were 852cc and up - most frequently 1108cc. The 852 engine is rare outside Spain.
For more on this: https://www.la4ldesylvie.fr/remonta...rt?highlight=WyJtb3RldXIiLCJiaWxsYW5jb3VydCJd

The first 1.1 engines in Renault 4s did appear in 1975, but not in 'cars' - they were fitted to R2370 and R2430 vehicles (the former eventually became known as the F6).
The first 1108 engines were fitted to 4GTL cars from January 78.

thanx for info, is there a way to identify this engine even further, my intentions are to buy a gasket set for it and figure out displacement/how much kw it should have

 

[Andy McGhee]

Has the identification tag on the engine block been removed? It should be to the right of the distributor, under the alternator.

Plaques constructeurs et identification des Renault 4

Plaques constructeurs et identification des Renault 4

www.la4ldesylvie.fr

 

[MAT-05]

Has the identification tag on the engine block been removed? It should be to the right of the distributor, under the alternator.

Plaques constructeurs et identification des Renault 4

Plaques constructeurs et identification des Renault 4

www.la4ldesylvie.fr

this should be it, the way the tag is mounted is suspicious, sorry for late reply i forgot

 

[Andy McGhee]

You're right to be suspicious - the 688 D7/12 plate is from an 1108 cc 'Cléon' engine, but it's been put on a 'Billancourt' engine. Is your photo of the same engine as in your earlier photos?

 

[MAT-05]

You're right to be suspicious - the 688 D7/12 plate is from an 1108 cc 'Cléon' engine, but it's been put on a 'Billancourt' engine. Is your photo of the same engine as in your earlier photos?

Yes it is, so without the original tag there is no way to figure out displacement other than taking the head off and measuring it manually. Could it be checked from the bottom side of the engine? I will have the oil pan off it leaks oil. I probably wont be taking the head off because it doesn't seem to leak anything

 

[JdeW]

It’s a Billancourt engine not a Cleon
The fd19 is the 800-05 with 845cc
The fd20 is the B1B with 845cc

 

[reidalpine]

one of your pixes shows the block has a cast-in 77.......number on it This corresponds to the Ren.part-no and will also provide all correct data on this engine. -A search on Google maybe?

 

[JdeW]

The 7700530362 coresponds with the Billancourt block