Following on from all this, and thanks for your help, but you will notice that the hinges are small round ended plates that hinge into the car to a small back plate that appears to be screwed with self tappers into the body. All the hinges I have seen have a much longer back plate, and it appears that they are screwed into the out side of the body in the window return. I prefer the ones in the workshop manual illustration. Any one know anything about this please. Edwin